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JohnDTraynor
02-19-2009, 02:59 AM
Every a day a new one materialises, usually via jolly messages on various music forums, or myspace, or facebook. The blurb, almost always written as if the keyboard is infused with helium, is sure to offer an opportunity to an unsigned band. The essence of this opportunity is exposure to the music business. Or else, an opportunity to make money magically from music.

The keynote of the charm is a helping hand through the murky, mysterious world of the music industry.

It might be an opportunity to be on a compilation CD/download, an opportunity to play at a festival, an opportunity to sell chart-eligible singles. Anything that this wizard thinks will appeal to an expectant, impatient band.

Chancers abound, aware of the desire of people who make music, and aware of the probable ignorance of such people of how it is really possible to succeed. They are not in the music business. The big boys and girls at Sony, or Radio 1, or NME, etc. all have utter contempt for these schemes. They are useless. Why be on a compilation CD that no-one wants? Why pay-to-play at a festival on a stage that is treated as a laughing stock? Why pay to have a chart-eligible single? Who gives a damn that the single is chart-eligible?

Yes, there is always payment. A £50 registration fee may seem little, but the money could be better spent buying a new cymbal, or go towards recording, or fixing the tour van.

These grubby charlatans are just lazy sods who want to get paid for doing nothing and think that there's a market out there for their non-existent product.

How to get on:

Write good songs
Rehearse a lot
Scrape together money for at least one well-recorded song
Do gigs (if you're good enough you'll get them)
Send CDs to the right DJs and journalists
Stay clear of the quick-fix wizards offering an express elevator into the music business - they are full of crap

WaxMan
02-19-2009, 11:33 AM
Every a day a new one materialises, usually via jolly messages on various music forums, or myspace, or facebook. The blurb, almost always written as if the keyboard is infused with helium, is sure to offer an opportunity to an unsigned band. The essence of this opportunity is exposure to the music business. Or else, an opportunity to make money magically from music.

The keynote of the charm is a helping hand through the murky, mysterious world of the music industry.

It might be an opportunity to be on a compilation CD/download, an opportunity to play at a festival, an opportunity to sell chart-eligible singles. Anything that this wizard thinks will appeal to an expectant, impatient band.

Chancers abound, aware of the desire of people who make music, and aware of the probable ignorance of such people of how it is really possible to succeed. They are not in the music business. The big boys and girls at Sony, or Radio 1, or NME, etc. all have utter contempt for these schemes. They are useless. Why be on a compilation CD that no-one wants? Why pay-to-play at a festival on a stage that is treated as a laughing stock? Why pay to have a chart-eligible single? Who gives a damn that the single is chart-eligible?

Yes, there is always payment. A £50 registration fee may seem little, but the money could be better spent buying a new cymbal, or go towards recording, or fixing the tour van.

These grubby charlatans are just lazy sods who want to get paid for doing nothing and think that there's a market out there for their non-existent product.

How to get on:

Write good songs
Rehearse a lot
Scrape together money for at least one well-recorded song
Do gigs (if you're good enough you'll get them)
Send CDs to the right DJs and journalists
Stay clear of the quick-fix wizards offering an express elevator into the music business - they are full of crap



"owch" - think I probably agree with you though John.

I think a band manager can be useful if they know their stuff and have the drive, but the idea to pay to play somewhere seems a bit odd, surely it's the other way around... or at least, play for free and take a cut of the bar or entry fee?

JohnDTraynor
02-19-2009, 12:50 PM
"owch" - think I probably agree with you though John.

I think a band manager can be useful if they know their stuff and have the drive, but the idea to pay to play somewhere seems a bit odd, surely it's the other way around... or at least, play for free and take a cut of the bar or entry fee?


Well. yes. band managers and agents are the norm. If they do something useful they get a percentage.

WaxMan
02-19-2009, 04:34 PM
I think you are right, ,maybe it's time to clean up this forum of these posts... I think the temptation is for bands who have had no luck for whatever reason may consider paying unscrupulous "agents" a "fee" to get what ultimately is "sweet F.A." and I'm not sure Unsigned City needs any more spammers, Keith what do you think? you can either discuss here or pm me. Cheers guys. Nick

JohnDTraynor
02-19-2009, 08:24 PM
I think you are right, ,maybe it's time to clean up this forum of these posts... I think the temptation is for bands who have had no luck for whatever reason may consider paying unscrupulous "agents" a "fee" to get what ultimately is "sweet F.A." and I'm not sure Unsigned City needs any more spammers, Keith what do you think? you can either discuss here or pm me. Cheers guys. Nick


I think it's worth letting them post, so that others can reply with their comments and assessment. Therefore, users of the board will be aware of something that they should avoid.

WaxMan
02-20-2009, 11:03 AM
ok, I think Keith agrees too.

Velvett Fogg
02-20-2009, 11:50 AM
Yes, I do, I'll keep all threads in this sub-forum.
I will post our Rules on this as a sticky,
therefore, once again reminding our members of the risks.

WaxMan
02-20-2009, 05:03 PM
good idea mate

Dave Drone
02-21-2010, 06:17 PM
Thanks for the advice:)